do you think the voters should have a say in the Death Penalty?
With Michigan Prisons closing down and prisoners being released early... Those who MURDER, should never be let out..And if the death penalty was on the books in MI..it would be cheaper in the long run.Wouldnt have to give CRiminals and Murderers 3 square meals for the rest of their natural lives..

I don't care if some felt Pouillion was extreme. He had every right to hold those signs up. While you are on here, defaming a dead man, where are your kids? Have they seen horror movies or movies with sexual content? Give me a break, and please go spend time with your kids b/c Heaven only knows where they are right now and doing what while you bitch about a man that had enough guts to speak reality of what is going on in our world. Maybe if you communicated with your kids, abortion wouldn't happen and Jim wouldn't have felt the need to stand out there, day after day speaking the truth.

Mr.Drake had told his wife that he was going to go and get some people and she was aware of it, but prob didnt no that he would actually do it. She may thought he was just in the heat of the moment. The abortionist was just a normal guy standing up for what he belived in, people saying he got what he deserved, bc of the sign and the pictures around little kids?? i dont think so!! Kids are going see alot of things we dont want them to and your job is to be the parent and let them know that they will understand when they are older. How would u feel if you were just trying to get a message out there to people and you got your life takin away? i do recall we have a FREEDOM OF SPEACH. NO ONE should get there life takin away over somthing so pitty.

Thankyou.

If the gravel guy was found dead at 7:30 a.m., and the sign guy was killed at 7:30 a.m., it means he killed the gravel guy first. Maybe he decided since he's going to jail anyway, he might's well go take out the sign guy and then go get the third guy.

It's horrible, utterly despicable, when people kill. It's also disturbing when people steal children's innocence. The sign guy did that for 19 years. He didn't deserve to die, but the town should have done something about it years ago and defended their children's dignity. I don't think the sign guy's murder had anything to do with abortion. I think what happened here is one very mentally ill man killed another mentally ill man.

As for the gravel guy, what was the motive there?

Am I missing something here? Since when did they have TVs in each cell in a county jail lock-up? Not that I would know personally, but aren't TVs kept in common areas, or "day" rooms? They take away belts and other potential suicide implements, but leave big guys like him with a glass-tubed TV.

Gee, personal TVs for killers not yet in prison, I know a few homeless folks who'd like 3 hots and a cot, and a TV.

Why is everyone so hung up on the graphic pictures when our kids are seeing worse everyday on TV, movies, videos, games, etc. I am 100% pro-life and I think that if showing a person those pictures will save even one baby, then show them.
I also am not in favor of capital punishment.
Violence never solves anything, no matter who is doing it. Killing is killing whether in the womb or out of it. My prayers go to both murder victim's families. It also goes the the killer's family. They now have to endure the media scrutiny and they did nothing to warrant it.

People say, 'If there is really a God then why would he let things like this happen.' Well, this is something that I read awhile back and I think it is very true:

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina).. Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'

In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves..

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

I think people should find another way to protest, not around little kids but no one has a right to go around killing these protesters. Now the shooters life is wasted, he should of protested to get these people off the street.

i live here in owosso and this shooting is very tragic to us, we all are very close here. i just wanted to say i am going to be a young mom, alot of family and friends were trying to get me to think about giving up my child and when i talked to jim outside of "planned parenthood" he gave me alot of good advice and he was a great guy standing up for what he belived in. and yes he was outside of owosso high school, but in this world now alot of young highschool girls are getting pregnant and there lost not knowing what to do. i was one them! and when u have some one that can give u great advice it helps.He shall R.I.P and he is in a better place now!

The administrators at the high school might wish to consider adding an English class to their curriculum.

Hmmm?? Well I guess this wasn't good enough for you people to post my comment. The other paper did.
I think you shouldn't shove your opinions on other people,like religion or politics,it's all the same. There are always 2 sides to a coin and both have RIGHTS. The people have the same right not to see the graphic pictures and didn't want their children to see that kind of thing. If someone else put graphic pictures of something else they beleived in they would have been run off or arrested...After all some people monitor the T.V.shows for children also. If the sign man would have had just the sign and not push the pictures it probably wouldn't have been so bad but kids also have told me that he was very nasty to them too. Allot of people ignored him,like we don't already know about abortion. Duh!! We know,it's our choice and right and that's the way it should remaine. We are tired of loosing our rights and this is just one more to take away. When you try to push your self down others throats something is bound to explode one way or another. It's never an excuse for murder but it's not like he didn't know that he might just touch off the wrong one and he did. People get tired of seeing him and he should have kept his opinion to his self unless asked. Just way too out there.

It's not surprizing that a pro-choice person has crossed the line, to choose which adults are permitted to live and which ones should die. Isn't that what "Pro-choice" is all about? The stronger has power over the weak. For instance, a baby in the womb is in the protective care of it's mother. The mother play's judge, jury, and executioner. She decides, along with grandparents, boyfriend, etc. if the child is worthy of life. If not, off to the executioner.

If I was a betting person ( which I'm not), Harlan Drake has baby bones in his closet. I wonder how many children he had murdered by abortion? And if so, Jim Pouillon was just a nasty reminder that he had blood on his hands. His solution, stone the messenger!

May God raise up a hundred "Jims" to be a reminder to the citizens of Owosso, that abortion is murder.

Just wanted to thank Tank Joshua for not ramming his opinions down my holy rolling throat. lol

Maybe I watch too many horror movies, but the "for sale" sign at the school shooting sight made me jump off my chair. Has anyone else noticed the number of the beast? 666. Was Harlan Drake carrying out a different plan? It is all very sad, but I do wonder.

Famous actor explains facts on abortion...

If you were a juror for an abortion trial, YOU would need to SEE all the facts... That's why it's very important for you to see the new video about abortion featuring famous Latino actor Eduardo Verastegui.

Eduardo's been called the "Tom Cruise" or "Brad Pitt" of Mexico... He recently starred in the movie BELLA, and Spanish TV soap operas (telenovelas). You can watch the ENGLISH and SPANISH versions of his new video on abortion at:

Prolife.com

That's Prolife(Dot)com

After you watch Eduardo's video, you may have a whole new perspective.

@Tank Joshua

According to your logic we should be euthanizing all unwanted neonates (aka newborns), infants and toddlers in hospitals/foster care/orphanages so they don't "grow up to be violent criminals" and to save them from a "lifetime of misery."

If getting an abortion is morally fine and a fetus is just a blob of tissue or a parasite, why would someone get so offended over the pictures that it would drive them to shoot someone?

Would he have shot him if he held up pictures of a heart or liver?

Personally, I will not be surprised if in 50 years it is morally okay to kill unwanted newborns. The same type of logic can be applied to them (they are non-sapient creatures just like a fetus afterall), and some "intellectuals" already think killing an unwanted newborn (or neonate to be scientific) is as immoral as killing a lab rat.

http://www.rightgrrl.com/carolyn/infanticide.html

I am a student from Owosso High School that was actually there. I for one was very upset by what happen early this morning before I went to school. But there are a couple of things that i am very upset with that people are posting. For one.

The person that posted the saying, explaining that it is premature for everyone to jump to the conclusion that this man was killed for his views on abortion. It is not a bad conclusion. This person does not go to Owosso. I for one had no problem with this man voicing his opinions. But many people that it was inappropriate for graphic pictures to be shown at a high school while children were going to school. And after the shooting many were upset. but those people also said it would have happened sooner or later because of how many people were upset by how upfront he was.

Another problem i had was:

Posted by Stephanie Felix, Arizona - Friday, September 11, 2009 at 5:22 p.m.
Why is this that these men are fighting over the issues of abortion? I strongly believe that men should stay the heck out of it and have no say whether it is right or it is wrong.

Are you serious! they say that men are sexist but by that comment in makes people think that maybe women are also. No matter what sex you are you should be able to voice your opinion on anything.

And my last point:The comment made by
Posted by Tank Joshua, Phoenix - Friday, September 11, 2009 at 6:47 p.m.
Who is pro-choice. is saying that it is wrong for a baby to be brought into this world if it is not wanted. There are many people out there that are not able to have babies and are looking for one. And for this person to jump to the conclusion that just because I child who is not kept by the original parents they will automatically turn to a life of crime and drugs. As explained in the post by Tank Joshua from Phonix. Is horrible. Everyone deserves a chance the benefit of the doubt. You are killing innocent lives that could ultimately do great things.

So basically I just wanted to give my opinion. Someone who was actually there and witnessed these crimes. So before you give a post, know your facts. This was a horrible act that happened. And i feel horrible for both of these mens families.

Hello Tank. You said:

"God's will I suppose? You want these vile criminals punished to the harshest letter of the law at that point! YOU want to make it impossible to avoid more of this! Some people know they can't raise a child, so they abort. Some young people make stupid mistakes, so they abort. You say no way to all of it. How about you volunteer to take them all in and teach them the ways of your good then?? YOU make sure they don't become criminals. Yeah, thought so..."

I understand you concern, but if the Christians (to whom I assume you are addressing this comment) were allowed to run the education system in the United States then a lot of those problems with the young people would not arise. Not to mention the number of teen pregnancies would go down. At least Christians discourage sex before marriage rather than encouraging it. Unfortunately for the children of America, the liberals in the government have succeeded in removing all traces of moral guidelines from the school system, replacing it with a vague "do whatever you want...within reason" mentality that provides an ideal environment for underprivileged kids to become criminals.

I have always said, if the government would just get out of the way, the Christians in America would drastically improve the lives of children. It almost makes me want to consider converting to Christianity.

When a pro-lifer shot and killed tiller the killer, obama immediatley sent US Marhsalls out to protect the baby killers.

Will obama now do the same for Pro-Lifers? Will he asign US Marshalls to protect Pro-Life activist from murder crazed pro-baby killers?

Or will obama silently thank his god?

Nobody should be killed for their beliefs, but some of you holy rollers need to check yourselves... I'm more about being responsible than ramming my opinions and beliefs down the throat of someone else's life... I'm neither Liberal nor Conservative. Common sense, logic, rationality, objectiveness, ALL shy away from the likes of both. First and foremost, BE RESPONSIBLE! If you can't do that simple thing and you get knocked up, how are you able to care for a child?? Sure, 19 days the heart is developed. 21 days the brain is deveoped... It is science, you'd call it God... Ok either way, but pure human being all the way. Once born, then what?? When that unwanted child is forced upon this world by your morals and your beliefs and not given a CHOICE. So here's your saved brood at 13 years old, living on the streets, on drugs, in/out of foster homes/schools, breaking into YOUR cars, YOUR homes, YOUR places of business, fighting, dying horrible deaths of starvation and suffering. What then?? God's will I suppose? You want these vile criminals punished to the harshest letter of the law at that point! YOU want to make it impossible to avoid more of this! Some people know they can't raise a child, so they abort. Some young people make stupid mistakes, so they abort. You say no way to all of it. How about you volunteer to take them all in and teach them the ways of your good then?? YOU make sure they don't become criminals. Yeah, thought so...

I think it's a bit premature to jump to the conclusion that the man outside the school was shot because of the signs. Seems more likely to me that's a coincidence, and the shooter had a beef with him - especially considering it's looking like he shot more people.

Then again, what's the point. I'm sure those idiots Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck will spend the next several days polluting the airwaves and the minds of their followers with the notion that this was a killing over abortion beliefs, despite no evidence to suggest it.

Well, well, well, first they kill the unborn babies of america, then they kill those who speak out against these murders??? Wake up America, judgement stands at the door...

Part of the great Liberal conspiracy over abortion is the characterization of abortion as a "woman's rights" issue instead of what it truly is -- a CIVIL RIGHTS issue. After all, the unborn child has a developing HUMAN heart at 19 days and a developing HUMAN brain 21 days after conception. Pretty hard to refute these medical facts -- but you know those cowardly, cruel Liberals -- they'll say it's not a baby but a "parasite" or non-human (like a kangaroo or something). They'll say anything except that it's a developing human being.

Some other inconvenient facts:
1. Approximately 1/2 the babies killed through abortion are girls.

2. Approximately 1/2 the babies killed through abortion are boys.

So, looks like those who say it's a "woman's rights" issue and want to help women don't care about all the little girls aborted.

Probably one of the most ridiculous Liberal canned lines you will also hear is "We all want to have less abortions, but not make it illegal". (President Obama tried that line on the Pope and got a smackdown from his Holiness and a lesson on Biology -- that we all know deep down that human life starts at conception -- ALL of us KNOW this).

This BS line is kinda like saying "We all want to have less DUI vehicular manslaughters, but not make it illegal."

Just remember this one fact: 93-98% of ALL abortions are NOT for the baby's or Mother's health, not for incest, not for rape. Instead, between 93-98% of ALL abortions are for BIRTH CONTROL purposes.

Part of the great Liberal conspiracy over abortion is the characterization of abortion as a "woman's rights" issue instead of what it truly is -- a CIVIL RIGHTS issue. After all, the unborn child has a developing HUMAN heart at 19 days and a developing HUMAN brain 21 days after conception. Pretty hard to refute these medical facts -- but you know those cowardly, cruel Liberals -- they'll say it's not a baby but a "parasite" or non-human (like a kangaroo or something). They'll say anything except that it's a developing human being.

Some other inconvenient facts:
1. Approximately 1/2 the babies killed through abortion are girls.

2. Approximately 1/2 the babies killed through abortion are boys.

So, looks like those who say it's a "woman's rights" issue and want to help women don't care about all the little girls aborted.

Probably one of the most ridiculous Liberal canned lines you will also hear is "We all want to have less abortions, but not make it illegal". (President Obama tried that line on the Pope and got a smackdown from his Holiness and a lesson on Biology -- that we all know deep down that human life starts at conception -- ALL of us KNOW this).

This BS line is kinda like saying "We all want to have less DUI vehicular manslaughters, but not make it illegal."

Just remember this one fact: 93-98% of ALL abortions are NOT for the baby's or Mother's health, not for incest, not for rape. Instead, between 93-98% of ALL abortions are for BIRTH CONTROL purposes.

This should not surprise anyone that is pro-life. ANYONE who supports abortion supports violence because abortion is violence....it is murder.

OK you stupid Liberals. Are you going to classify this as a HATE CRIME? Or does that only apply to you stupid Liberal partners in crime?

"Posted by Stephanie Felix, Arizona - Friday, September 11, 2009 at 5:22 p.m.

Why is this that these men are fighting over the issues of abortion? I strongly believe that men should stay the heck out of it and have no say whether it is right or it is wrong."

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Sorry, but FATHERS have the right to LOVE and to CARE for THEIR CHILDREN TOO.

It takes TWO to create a child. And if women like you think that FATHERS should have no rights in any of this, then do you also think then that FATHERS should then not have to SUPPORT and CARE for their children as well? Does this mean that you then support a divorced FATHER not having to pay any CHILD SUPPORT for their children, as well?

Your reasoning on this is entirely warped and entirely wrong.

It takes an extremely evil individual to kill a human being who was simply trying to lawfully protect the life of unborn babies.

This is what this once-great nation has and is turning into - a nation that has slaughtered 50 to 70 million unborn babies in this country since 1973 when abortion was first made completely legal by the evil, so-called 'Supreme Court' then, and now a nation that has thus bred those who are even more than willing to murder anyone who simply tries to lawfully speak out against such an evil infanticide.

Our once great America is on its way out, and abortion is the first and foremost direct cause of most of the illegal immigration in this country as well, seeing how these illegals are filling the jobs and the positions as consumers within this country that our own children would have filled had they not been aborted/murdered by this country. And what 'poetic justice' it is, too, seeing how the majority of illegals are coming from a country in where abortion is largely outlawed - Mexico. Their citizens are therefore taking over our country a little at a time through their invasion, simply because we have killed and therefore destroyed so much of our native future, through abortion.

We are foolishly reaping what we have foolishly sowed.

Welcome to our nightmare.

Part of the great Liberal conspiracy over abortion is the characterization of abortion as a "woman's rights" issue instead of what it truly is -- a CIVIL RIGHTS issue. After all, the unborn child has a developing HUMAN heart at 19 days and a developing HUMAN brain 21 days after conception. Pretty hard to refute these medical facts -- but you know those cowardly, cruel Liberals -- they'll say it's not a baby but a "parasite" or non-human (like a kangaroo or something). They'll say anything except that it's a developing human being.

Some other inconvenient facts:
1. Approximately 1/2 the babies killed through abortion are girls.

2. Approximately 1/2 the babies killed through abortion are boys.

So, looks like those who say it's a "woman's rights" issue and want to help women don't care about all the little girls aborted.

Probably one of the most ridiculous Liberal canned lines you will also hear is "We all want to have less abortions, but not make it illegal". (President Obama tried that line on the Pope and got a smackdown from his Holiness and a lesson on Biology -- that we all know deep down that human life starts at conception -- ALL of us KNOW this).

This BS line is kinda like saying "We all want to have less DUI vehicular manslaughters, but not make it illegal."

Just remember this one fact: 93-98% of ALL abortions are NOT for the baby's or Mother's health, not for incest, not for rape. Instead, between 93-98% of ALL abortions are for BIRTH CONTROL purposes.

I'm confused, you're complaining about the media not covering this story, but you're complaining in the comments on a story about it on a media website?

Obviously it's wrong to kill people period. Whether they are pro or anti abortion is irrelevant. But the media double standard is OUTRAGEOUS!! When Tiller was killed MSNBC and CNN went on a rampage for a couple of weeks SMEARING everyone that is anti-abortion or on the Right. They were talking about right-wing extremists and militias and all sorts of BS. Where is the left-wing Southern Poverty Law Center to decry this HATE CRIME?? The media commits verbal hate crimes daily with the way they bash the Right nonstop over every DAMN thing. My God, Wilson shouted "You Lie" at Obama and Diane Sawyer was having the vapors over it pretending that Dems never heckled Bush during his speeches- State of the Union 2005? Hello media?? But they won't even mention when some Liberal loon does ANYTHING!! Thousands of Liberals ran around with signs covered in swastikas calling Bush a Nazi and Hitler and a terrorist for 8 YEARS!! But if a handful of right-wingers do the same to Obama at townhalls, CNN and MSNBC act as though they've never seen such horrors. God, the media makes me SICK!

Regardless of your views on abortion, it is legal. Shooting people is not legal. We are all free to express our first amendment rights, but violence is not the answer.

Why is this that these men are fighting over the issues of abortion? I strongly believe that men should stay the heck out of it and have no say whether it is right or it is wrong.

Twisted sick, psychopathic reaction to murder in cold blood, because you don't like the messenger displaying hard factual reality of barbaric death of a infants in living color. Arms, legs, torn off, skull crushed, that's what happens in routine everyday breathing child, conveinent disposal of a growing helpless child in a womb. This degenerate savage murderer was offended by a cardboard sign, felt it justifys brutal murder, yet ignors live breathing formed children being torn and ripped piece by piece out of a womens womb. He must be swiftly executed. I support LIFE, not the baby killer Nazi's that kill those undersirables babies, They are on the same level as evil killing NAZI'S. Just murder those that are inconveinent. The liberals that are PRO DEATH are pathetic sick, twisted,degenerate scum gutter filth. Their mothers should have deservadly aborted them as inconveient infants, torn limb by limb and crushed their tiny skulls and disposed of them in the sewers. Horrible killings of babies and it's so routine and legal. Sick society.

Not to appear to be defending bubba billybob, but what the heck is "unlawful intent with a firearm" ??? Sounds like a thought crime to me. To be charged with attempt, you have to take unequivocal steps towards committing the crime. This guy took no steps towards killing the third person, he just thought about it. And owned a gun. And that's a crime???

It's amazing how the Liberals act like killing an unborn child is justified because there are suffering born children in the world and that these signs of abortied children are somehow offensive to them.

Here's are some documented facts:
1. Conservatives give substantially to help both unborn and born children. Liberals are pretty stingy with their charitable donations. Just check out Joe Biden's charitable contributions if you need proof.

2. Those "offensive" signs of aborted babies are from the very medical procedure the Liberals triumph as a woman's "right" (never mind the unborn baby's CIVIL RIGHTS). It's incredibly cruel and hypocritical of the Liberals to want abortion to be protected, and yet not see the results displayed for all to see.

3. Protesting abortion with those signs is CONSTITUTIONALLY protected.

4. The medical procedure of abortion is a very violent act which involves ripping apart the unborn child. It's not some fairy tale where the woman involves makes a wish and takes a sugar pill and it's all better. Abortion is a BRUTAL act.

5. Liberals don't want the various kinds of abortions shown in the so-called MSM (like on the AP, CNN, etc.) as the American people would start to realize what abortion really is.

6. Liberals hide behind the 2-7% of abortions performed for health related, incest, and rape reasons, but do not mention that between 93-98% of ALL abortions are for birth control purposes. How cowardous to misrepresent abortion as somehow humanitarian when the vast majority are for birth control purposes.

So there you have it Liberals. I'll be anxiously awaiting your campaign to educate America on abortion through televised abortions on all the MSM with realistic displays of the procedures and results to the Mother and Baby.

But of course, being cowards, you will hide what abortion truly is.

'No woman has the right to overrule the right to life God has granted every human being for convenience'
Our Declaration of Independence guarantees us 'all' the right to LIFE first, Liberty, then happiness. Those who love abortion and support it do not respect life itself and are a threat to our very existence.

If it's anti-Abortion & not pro-life then the other side must be anti-human or anti-fetus or Anti-baby. Lets face it Pro-choice is never pro-choice if it were then being a teenage hooker would be legal after all if it's her body to dismember a baby, then it's her body to sell for money. There is no such thing as pro-choice if there were then i wouldn't get a tick for not wearing a seat belt. For the 1/2 wit that suggested that pro-lifers don't care about the baby after it is born, who do you think runs most of the adoption agencys, who do you think think runs the "feed the hungry" groups. no sir you prove one thing, liberal love to kill babies to feed their blood lust & they all killed their brain cells with drugs.

Capt: Stop using the "suffering baby" talk as a crutch to justify slamming people who care for the unborn and your pro-abortion ideology! Your argument holds about as much water as a noodle strainer with big holes. What about the suffering babies who get pulled out of the mother’s womb, dismembered limb by limb, piece by piece? THEY DO SUFFERING! And you forgot about the suffering women who are abused by doctors and staff at abortion clinics; who suffer psychologically for years after the procedure is over. People who protest abortion care for the women as well.

What have YOU done to help the suffering children?????

You wanna to talk about caring for suffering children. The people that are out there fighting for the lives of unborn children are the same people that are doing the most work out there to help these suffering children (starting with the unborn children).

Catholic organizations combined are BY FAR the world's largest provider of aid to the poor and suffering; and in particular children. Catholic Charities (by itself) in 2007 ranked 4th in providing public support to the tune of nearly THREE QUARTERS of a BILLION dollars. Catholic Relief Services over 200 million dollars. There are many Catholic, Christian, and Jewish organizations that help the poor and suffering adults and children; to many to mention all of them here. But these are the SAME PEOPLE that on the front lines fighting for the lives of the unborn children and mothers at these murder camps.

Arguing that children should be murdered in the womb because they would otherwise be suffering is a weak and pitiful argument. It is blatant ignorance. Nobody has the authority to take the life of innocent babies; the anti-life people only give themselves the license to do so; which is not justifiable.

sad to hear what occured today in my city of birth, i think its been 20 years since a murder has happened in this quiet town of 16,000. i didnt know the anti abortion activist but i think those obama 08 stickers on his placards were there as satire and tongue in cheek. many great people are from owosso, nobel prize winners, sports, arts, writers, politicians, look it up on wikipedia per capita its an amazing town.

We do not know why the gunman murdered and took the LIFE of two men today. It may have been becasue of their conviction that it is wrong to take the LIFE of an innocent baby in the supposed safety of his/her mother's womb.

What is amazing to me, and yet sadly consistent, is that the Pro-Abortion people on this site have no sympathy that the LIFE of two human beings were wrongfully stolen from them today.

But I guess that if the innocent life of a baby inside his/her mother's womb is not sacred and is expendable, then of course so would two adults be who were guilty of nothing more than excersising their constitutional rights of free speech and attempting to save the LIFE of innocent babies.

Again, it is a shame that we are more offended by the PICTURE of a baby than we are offended by the ACTUAL taking of the LIFE of a baby.

No, he/she is not just a fetus. He/She is a pre-born human being with a beating heart, fingers, toes, etc. Just like you and I were.

I am glad your mother and my mother did not choose to abort us, but chose instead to let us have LIFE.

We're not mad at you for being so hateful and angry at those who simply have a different viewpoint than you do... but we are sad for you.

There is much more to LIFE than bitterness, anger, and hatred.

Choose LOVE. Choose LIFE.

How does believing that taking an innocent human life is murder make me a nut case? To ignore reality puts a person's sanity in question. With regards to an unborn baby, what part of 'innocent' don't you understand? What part of 'human' don't you understand? What part of 'life' don't you understand? Pro lifers are the ones who's thinking is straight. To believe that the little life inside mom is not a seperate human being with her own DNA but only a part of mom's body is to deny reality and makes you the nut case. To fight for the rights of persecuted human beings makes me right.

Mr. Kendrick,

Obviously you are filled with contempt for people with whom you disagree. That is perhaps a part of human nature. But how do you know what type of charitable work pro-lifers do? Research has consistently demonstrated that conservatives (who tend to be pro-life) are significantly more charitable (with time and money) than liberals (who tend to be "pro-choice"). Here again in your extreme position (that pro-lifers should somehow be held responsible for every un-aborted child) we see a pro-choice person advocating for displacement of responsibility (from the parents to the pro-lifers). So you push responsibility off on someone other than the parties that created the "problem". If you were better informed you would know that there are networks of private, pro-life charities that do support women who have decided to keep their babies or give them up for adoption.

On another note, your hateful comments directed toward Christians show a distinct smallness of character. Someday, perhaps you will be shown similar disrespect. Certainly you have earned it.

Ha Ha. That's funny that someone would be offended by a SIGN but not offended by the ACT itself. Only the liberal mind could justify that!

Of course if this had been a pro choice activist this would be tragic. But because some nut job (the nut is the one who did the shooting over a picture he didn't like) he creates some hit list. Of course they don't want to see what they are about to do to their babies. Why would you want to see that they are about to rip the legs and arms off of your child. You are a sick human being. The abortion Dr. who got shot and killed was all over the news. But someone who belives life is sacred is thought of as a nut and put on a hit list. Unfortunatley your mother was pro life

Interesting...This man ended up reaching more people by dying for his cause than he ever would have standing on that sidewalk for another 30 years. He is another American willing to put his life in jeopardy in an attempt to save others. Has anyone thought to ask...How many babies are now living and growing into wonderful people because their mother's saw this man's signs and decided..."It is a baby, and I can't do that to my baby"? Why don't we celebrate that instead of his violent, senseless death?

Maybe the rest of these anti abortion nut-jobs will get a hint that people don't want to see these signs.

I'm glad this kook is gone.

It is more than semantics that the pro-choice side identifies as such rather than calling themselves "pro-abortion".

Almost everyone on the pro-choice side is also of the opinion that abortions should be limited. Many even believe that abortion is never the best choice for a woman.

The question is whether we should use the power of the state army and police to put women and doctors in jail for getting abortions? Is that the best solution to lower the numbers of abortions in this country? I don't think so.

Not every thing that is wrong should be criminalized.

I realize that it is fun to dehumanize me as one of the "pro-lifers" and call me a Christian (I am assuming that by "Jeebus" you mean "Jesus"), but fyi I am an athiest and a former supporter of child death. After researching the issue, however, I changed my position because I found evidence that contradicted the moral acceptability of abortion. I actually listen to the arguments of people who disagree with me, whereas you merely excel in spouting offensive unfounded generalizations riddled with "ad hominem" fallacies.

I can't speak for ALL adherents to my side of the argument, but I at least am very involved in the community, especially with underprivileged children. I was sexually abused as a child, so I understand what you mean by "suffering", but I can say that my life has been more than worthwhile. I volunteer alongside Christians, and many of them are constantly looking for ways to serve the underprivileged, such as abuse victims and children in poor areas of town. Pro-life and pro-children just so happen to go hand-in-hand more often than not.

Why don't you stop pretending to be smart and "take all of that concern, anger, energy and effort" that you are spending to kill children and help them instead. I think they have just as much right to live as you.

So a picture of an aborted fetus is more offensive than the fact that a fetus WAS aborted?......okay...but not an unusual response from pro-abortion advocates. "We want it to be legal but just don't make us look at it" HUH?

I have seen these signs and honestly hated seeing them. The signs gave my 4 year old daughter nightmares for weeks and I really didn't apprecite this man subjecting my innocent daugther to his message.

However, that being said, I don't believe that anyone has the right to take a man's life over such a sign. Take him to court, file a complaint, take action to prevent his visual objections, but taking his life is just sad. Nobody deserves to be shot.

Welcome to the "changed" USA! If you don't like someone's position on something - just kill them... I'm sure Obama will pardon him (or at minimum CNN will).

Well, it was a great place to live while it lasted...

Being an actual resident of Owosso, I have to wonder why something as sad as two people being murdered, has now turned into a debate of whether or not abortion is okay??? These two men, have families that are grieving and no matter what the "beliefs" of anyone are, it was certainly not a reason for either man to be murdered.

I have lived in this area ever since I was a small child and have witnessed Mr. Poulion and his demonstrations, for as long as I can remember. Although graphic in nature, his signs and demonstrations were simply a man practicing his right for Freedom of Speech. Even though you don't agree with his methods of getting his point across, he didn't deserve to die.

how come the liberal media is calling him an "anti-abortion activist" instead of a "pro-life activist"?

Eh, it's just about being accurate.

After all, it's kind of unfair to call somebody "pro-life" when they are only "pro-life" until the child is born, then after that they could give a rat's ass.

So "anti-abortion"? Hm. It just makes more sense.

To Mr Hill from Malvern, I'll make you a deal the day you find someone who has had the perfect life and perfect childhood I'll jump on your side of the fence. I suppose someone should have pulled the plug on Steven Hawking, hardly the perfect life, hardly the perfect body. Perhaps Einstein should have been aborted I am sure he wasn't a perfect specimen to meet your criteria, Beethoven should have ended it all when he lost his hearing, don't you think? Silly question, you don'd think. The problem with liberals is they think they can create utopian humans who are all happy and perfect. The original progressives were all in favor of eugenics, Margaret Sanger being their main crusader. She was hoping to get rid of all the undesireables (you know those blacks, and handicapped folks). Well it seems as though genius often resides in the less than perfect and wonders eminate from people whose parents didn't want them and sometimes abused them. It is a strange fact of life, but adversity should not eliminate you from the gene pool because it often improves it.

Hey Cletus,

Poke around a bit on the Internet and you'll see a picture of the anti-abortion activist who was shot.

Guess what? He also sported an Obama '08 bumper sticker!

Ha. You people can be such tools sometimes.

I love the leftist talking about when the "fetus lovers" help out those in need blah, blah, blah...... Anytime you look at the records of conservatives you almost always see that they give liberally to charity, but when you see the leftists tax records, especially those telling conservatives how selfish they are, you find out that they give practically nothing to charity. Why? Because when you look at leftist politicians tax records you soon find out that what they really believe is charity from other people's wallets. They talk a good game and then give nothing of their own. That shows more than anything what the left really is. If that doesn't do it for you, just look at the history of all of Obama's friends to see what he and the rest of the left truly are.

how come the liberal media is calling him an "anti-abortion activist" instead of a "pro-life activist"?

While you all bicker amongst yourselves a man was brutally killed today, whether it was because of what he believed in or because someone had a personal beef with him is not clear at this point. The Reality is that, despite what side you may be on in this nasty fight over abortion, you have to admit that life, in all its forms, has lost any value it once had in America, or even the entire world. On the left they argue that we evolved up from slime, life came from slime, thus giving the mere slime in a mothers womb intrinsic value as a life, although they miss that point. The right, opposes killing innocent life in the womb, but is ready to sacrifice the life of their own children fighting wars or conflicts in far off lands, for no apparent reason. It isnt about your side, it isnt about your political ends or affiliation. It really comes down to the value of life today. And while you launch assaults at each other and make ignorant snide immature remarks about whos right and whos wrong. This man, who had value and life, is now dead. Unless you begin to teach your children the value of the life they have, it may be them we are talking about one day. Good Luck to all of you. I hope that God will bless the soul of this man and take care of his grieving family.

In response to the comparison of being Pro-Life and against abortion (stopping the beating heart and exterminating the pre-born LIFE of a human being) and taking care of suffering children who are already born in the world!?!

Who do you think sends BILLIONS of dollars around the entire WORLD in food, clothing, medicine and health care, drilling fresh water wells, building housing, etc etc!?!

With all due respect, you are showing your ignorance.

My question could just as easy be turned to you. What are YOU doing to end the suffering of children and adults all around the world?

We've been doing it with 10's of thousands of volunteers and career missionaries every single day for almost 2000 years.

And we since we do not have tunnel vision, we can actually "mult-task" and work to end OTHER kinds of injustices around the world at the same time. Including the taking of an innocent human life in the womb.

Karen, you seem to very concerned about the purported "dreams" of the "unborn" at 23 weeks.

How much concern and effort to do you put into the fetus when it is at 50 weeks? 100 weeks? 200 weeks?

Do you volunteer time and money to save or improve the lives of children who are beaten, neglected, impoverished, malnourished?

Somehow I doubt it. That would just take away time and money from holding up anti-abortion signs on the highway and buying bumper stickers for your car that say "It's a Child, Not a Choice."

nothing new for the obama sycophants - can win the argument so you kill the Real American that see the truth that you dont like

OBAMA & RADICALS = AMERICA HATERS & MURDERERS

To the moron named daniel wacks, The posted that pro-lifers do nothing to help the suffering babies, Who do you think started all of the Help Orgs in the world like the Rescue Missions, the Salvation Army & the rest. There has never been a Help Org started by a God hater so get your facts right before you prove just how lame your brain is. I you removed the church & the Pro-lifers (because only pro-lifers are real Christians) out of this world you would have nothing but HELL with no one helping the poor or the sick. Bit don't worry, when Obama starts to murder all the Christians you will see what hell is really like, no be a good baby hating liberal & go fight for the right of a child molester of rapist like you liberals do all the time.

Man, you pro-lifers are dumber than I even thought.

You really gathered from my post that I proposed killing those who are suffering?

Wow.

OK, I'll type slow and try and make it simple for you.

I am curious as to why pro-lifers don't take all of that concern, anger, energy and effort ya'll direct towards saving the "unborn" and instead work on HELPING (not killing, Skippy) the children who are suffering.

It seems to me that once the precious "unborn" actually becomes a living breathing child, your work is done, and you don't care so much about suffering children. Just the unborn ones. Or maybe you just think that gawd will take care of the rest and you can go back to saving more fetus's for Jeebus?

Will you see this on the major networks? Is there a problem ?

If this was an anti-abortion protestor, it would be a national story rather than a local one.

If the killer turns out to be Christian or associated with right-wing politics in any way shape or form, it will become a national story.

If the killer turns out to be black, muslim, or associated with left-wing politics in any way, every attempt will be made to not tell us anything about the killer- and if information about the killer does leak out, no national news organization will touch the story.

Listen to yourself:

"I'll make a deal with the pro-lifers. On the day that there is not one, meaning not one, innocent infant, toddler or child who is suffering, ANYWHERE, then maybe, just MAYBE, I'll come over to your side and support you in your efforts to save all of the "unborn children" you don't know from the female vessels you don't know."

So basically you think we should kill all the children are suffering because WE know better than they do that their life is not worth living. Right? What if we take that to its logical end and decide that all people who have suffering in their lives should die? I think the human race might just go extinct. Hate to break it to you "Kenrick", but everyone suffers. EVERYONE.

Darn tootin' it's serious.

It is funny though how none you Fetus Lovers for Jesus can't answer my query about putting as much effort into alleviating the suffering of children as you do into the "unborn".

I'll wager that if you ever declare victory in your "pro-life" crusade, you won't turn your attention to helping the children who are suffering. I'll bet you'll either rest on your laurels, or maybe you'll move your efforts into the opposite direction: saving every single unfertilized egg and sperm.

Because every sperm is sacred!

Just consider it a retroactive abortion on another right wing whack job. No great loss. I bet he idolized Fred Phelps and the Westburrow whackos

Capt. Your awarness level is about like that of a lizard.
Sad story!Over 60,000 babies are aborted every year in this country mainly in the name of convenience. Abortion is used as a form of birth control. Any woman that would do such a thing is not much of a mother and pity the poor child that get's her as their protector. A mid term baby isn't a thing. The baby recognizes his father's voice and reacts to it. At 16 weeks a baby will shrink away from an amniocentesis needle. Babies dream at 23 weeks. Imagine how it reacts when it is being murdered.

Your post is one of silliest comments I've ever heard about this serious issue. This is an important issue, meant for serious folks to discuss - your time is up, you're dismissed.

Abortion does not make you unpregnant...It makes you the mother of a dead fetus/baby...

Regardless of anyones veiws on pro-life, the fact remains that 2 good men died in my town today. I remember Pouillon standing outside of my school.was it sick? yes..Did anyone in our schools like it? no... But the man had a right to freedom of speech just like we all do, and for anyone to say that it was right or justified, is also saying we do not have the freedom of speech. Who gives a shit about what we believe is right? what good does it do us if we can't proclaim it, if we so desire, without getting killed?

When a criminal gets the death penalty, it's called punishment.
What crime has the unborn baby committed to receive their death sentence?

When a criminal gets the death penalty, it's called punishment.
What crime has the unborn baby committed to receive their death sentence?

This is beginning to sound like someone who has beef with these two

Do you spend much time saving the lives of infants, toddlers, or children who are suffering?

I'll bet you wash your hands with a good sense of righteous self-satisfaction though if one gets through the first nine month and get outside of one of Jebus's female vessels.

I have one question for everyone? When will the insanity stop? We are tearing our country apart. We are no longer a civil society. We have lost our way. Can we ever our way back to our once great country? Will we ever again be that "Shining City on a Hill"?

Crawl back into your hole, buddy. I don't make deals with baby killers.

This is outrageous. It is not only murder, it is terroism to the free, it is a hate crime against those for those that want to stop murder

I mean, you were once a fetus, no one knew you... but your mother chose to be pro-life.... didn't she?

Why is it a "double homicide" if someone kills a mother and her unborn child? Nobody knows it... it's just a fetus... how is one murder and the other not?

I'm constantly amazed at the amount of energy, both physical and emotional, and the time and money pro-lifers put into their concern over a fetus that is inside of a woman they don't even know. And if that fetus they don't know is aborted by the woman they don't know, the pro-lifers will howl and claw and gnash their teeth. But if that fetus they don't know is born to term by the mother they don't know, then there will be baby. A baby they won't know. And they will not make an attempt to know that baby. And there is a possibility that baby will grow with problems, maybe genetic, or parental, or violence, or hunger, or poverty, or who knows? Because who knows the baby? Not the pro-lifers.

I'll make a deal with the pro-lifers. On the day that there is not one, meaning not one, innocent infant, toddler or child who is suffering, ANYWHERE, then maybe, just MAYBE, I'll come over to your side and support you in your efforts to save all of the "unborn children" you don't know from the female vessels you don't know.

I'm constantly amazed at the amount of energy, both physical and emotional, and the time and money pro-lifers put into their concern over a fetus that is inside of a woman they don't even know. And if that fetus they don't know is aborted by the woman they don't know, the pro-lifers will howl and claw and gnash their teeth. But if that fetus they don't know is born to term by the mother they don't know, then there will be baby. A baby they won't know. And they will not make an attempt to know that baby. And there is a possibility that baby will grow with problems, maybe genetic, or parental, or violence, or hunger, or poverty, or who knows? Because who knows the baby? Not the pro-lifers.

I'll make a deal with the pro-lifers. On the day that there is not one, meaning not one, innocent infant, toddler or child who is suffering, ANYWHERE, then maybe, just MAYBE, I'll come over to your side and support you in your efforts to save all of the "unborn children" you don't know from the female vessels you don't know.

"Jim Hill" Your excrement. I have no dog in this hunt but, I'd take offense to your presence in any setting.

How is it you supposed "pro-life" folks don't understand that? How many of you celebrated, whether secretly in your heart or outwardly with your like minded friends, when Dr. Tiller was murdered? How many of you are pleased when a criminal gets the death penalty?

Please don't pretend to be Christians with an attitude like that; you are angry and you want revenge, "someone's gotta pay" and when they do, someone else is going to take their revenge, however misguided, and it goes on forever like that.

Is this really what you think Jesus (or God if Jesus is not in your religion) wants? He wants you to gloat over the suffering of those you hate? It is so sad to see what has become of our nation, and the attitudes expressed in the name of religion. How did so many miss the clear messages in the Bible about love and judgement and righteousness?

I guess many of you just love to hate. Please reconsider what is in your heart when you do that.

Hmmm, it would appear that the ANTI-LIFE people have a few with a violent streak in them as well. Oh! But we anti-abortion activists already knew that. So let's see now, the score is the anti-abortionists one and anti-lifers 53 million plus one. ALL killing is horrible and should be condemned! But these are the plain and publicly known facts.

Aren't schools deemed "gun free zones"? A lot of good that kind of nonsense does...Criminals of course will never follow the rules.

Regardless if this murder was random or if it was indeed ideologically motivated, the fact still remains that the pro-choice/pro-abortion folks continue to support mass murder to the tune of millions of innocent babies each year.

"those large graphic signs anger and disturb me, a pro life person, i also understand that its non of my business if others do have abortions"

Huh? Sorry, kid, by definition you are not pro-life.

"Hey, I am against murder, but if my neighbor wants to go off and bludgeon his wife than it's no business of mine."

This murder, along with abortion, is wrong. Most pro-choice proponents are unable to defend their views, other than to say that "it's a fetus". Well, a fetus has a beating heart and working brain and can feel pain. A fetus is not fully-developed, but the human brain is not fully-developed until age 25 and newborn children have little more advantage over fetuses who are game to be killed. So, I mourn the killing of this guy and the abortion doctor in Kansas, but I mourn the 50 million dead babies, not fetuses, even more since they were helpless victims killed by their parents and their doctor henchmen.

I wonder if Fox News is going to exploit this and link it to all pro-choice people the way MSNBC's Keith Olbermann did to pro-lifers when he said, "One network (Fox News) said everything except: 'Will no one rid us of this Abortion Doctor?'

Woody,

You stated that most 'pro-lifers' are also in favor of capital punishment. This is true and there is no hypocrisy. Capital punishment is killing criminals who have broken our laws (very violent, heinous crimes). Abortion is killing the innocent... how is that similar?

Also, do you realize your belief that "religion is a cancer to this world" puts you into that mix. If you choose not to believe in God or not, those are defined as your beliefs. Whatever your beliefs are have become your religion, your value system. That is what 'religion' is, not a simple belief in God. You happen to believe in a Non-God, and it is your religion. Welcome to the 'religious' club. All of Humanity is a part of it.

If you don't like to see gross pictures of aborted babies, don't support the "right" to chose killing them.

"GOOD
Posted by PRO LIFE COMMON SENCE, Flint - Friday, September 11, 2009 at 10:59 a.m.

those large graphic signs anger and disturb me, a pro life person, i also understand that its non of my business if others do have abortions. I am glad that someone aborted that person from this earth. . . the people who have abortions will regardless of grossing out everyone one else!"

So, this moron thinks that since the signs 'anger and disturb' him/her that it's a good thing that someone 'aborted' him. Also, while he/she claims to be pro-life, that it's none of his/her business if a few million babies get murdered each year. I suppose if a few million pro-choice parents 'CHOSE' to kill their pesky toddlers, that would be none of his/her business either.

Please "PRO LIFE COMMON SENCE", keep posting. Your kind of drivel does a great job of inspiring pro-lifers to keep up the fight for life.

I understand given this persons background why people might think this is a murder of a pro-lifer, but the truth is no one knows why this murder occured yet. Perhaps it's a ex lover, mentally ill person, random violence, gang initiation. The point is none of you know why this happened. So why start hating a person you don't even know becuase they simply had a different opinion then you?

Your hate (from all of you) tells people more about you and overshadows any point you can ever make in your argument.

If God is NOT your Lord.... you are probably Poor-Choice.
But..... if you are lost.....what does it matter what you do?
You can't even get the simple "God is Lord" thing right......who do you think expects you to figure out the difficult things?

The article doesn't even state that the shooter was an activist. For all we know it could have been a robbery. Stop arguing pro-life vs. pro-choice it's annoying.

Good,
It is soooo comforting to know you believe murder is a solution. How sad our country had come that people spew such hate to anyone who disagrees with them. It's the looneys like you who make it so difficult for either side of an issue. The word hate is not allowed in my home unless you are talking about brussel spourts!

I am very very sad that someone posted that they are "GLAD" the member of our community was shot 4 times in the abdomen because he choose to display grapics signs- My son who is adopted that attends Owosso High school had to witness the debris and now I must explain to him Why someone who supports life is gunned down in front of his school- My son who is a very kind soul said one thing when I brought him home; I'm so pissed! My other son who was also adopted, graduated from Owosso High and now attends the United States Naval Academy-People that stood up for LIFE played a large part in who he is today. He actually spoke at the local PRC that supports life in which this victim also attended. His Statement, I am glad that I was not aborted, his sibling that was in utero one year earlier was!

lets form to lines pro-life to the right. pro-choice to the left. pro-life love life and have babys. pro-choice get sterized and have a good life.

The planet is sick with too many humans- especially the big fat glutonous ones in Michigan. Abortions for all!

Everyone does get to choose! Its called consent. People dont get pregnant without making a choice. The argument really comes down to if we are going to make it legal to escape your responsibilities after the choice. Rape and/or health of the woman are the only legitimate arguments, but you know damn well that these are not the real concerns of the pro-abortion agenda, thats just how they tug your heart strings. those would be easy exceptions to make. I personally believe even in those cases, counseling and or adoption should be major considerations prior to pulling the trigger. They never discuss in public the many women that went through with an abortion and lived with that decision for the rest of their life. That misery doesnt suit their agenda.

Liberals will tell you that an abortion is on par with having a tumor removed from your arse. Both are lumps of fleshy matter that can be removed when ever choice/urgency allows. Science has proven, in a Liberals mind anyway, that life probably doesn't start until, well.....they're not 100% sure...BUT, don't worry, the lump of flesh won't feel a thing as it's nervous system hasn't completely formed yet. Whew...
Sorry, but I'm not that confident in science to place that much stock in it. Science can somewhat explain the 'how', but NEVER the 'why'. No one can.

I once walked up to one of these protestors and told him it would be better if they would show signs of a baby growing into a child or even a young adult as you drive down the street. THAT is the miracle of life, that a bland little mush-head becomes a wonderful, intelligent, beautiful person, as my three children did.

The protestor dismissed my idea out of hand. I told him: "You are hurting our cause!"

(Note for reference: I did not put a bullet in his head.)

someone on THAT side of the camp got shot.

"Exactly WHICH religion is a poison?
Posted by Abe Linnburg, Bay City - Friday, September 11, 2009 at 11:29 a.m.
It's dumb to say that pro-lifers are "hypocrites" because they are in favor of capital punishment, which is a JUST SENTENCE FOR A CRIME. Aborted babies are guilty of no crime. I mean, use your head."

According to most Christians, we are all guilty of original sin which is a death sentence. Since the unborn have not repented yet they need to die according to your "flying spaghetti monster" religion... ummm because "God" said so???

On another note, this man murder was horrible. I may disagree with what he said but I'd fight for his right to say it.

I just wonder if this man and his posters ever made a girl think, made her change her mind and choose life. I wonder if his persistence ever paid off. I sure hope it did... God bless him and God bless his family.

I have always been puzzled by the "graphic" part of abortion protests. Why is this a problem? This is what it is so why is it offensive? And, if you are pro abortion then this is obviously pleasing to you. The auto dealers show pictures of their products and are proud of the outcome of their efforts. Why not show case "graphically" what abortion is all about? It seems to me that the writer of this article is casting the victim in a negative light because he apparently had a graphic picture what abortion is about. You pro abortion advocates should have an art exhibit and celebrate the aborted human.

Typical pro-abortion, pro-suicide, pro-euthanasia responses on here. Abortion is ugly, graphic, Jeffrey Dahmer-type killing when a doctor rips the arms, legs, head, etc. off the BABY. Or when the doctor sucks the baby's brains out while it's kicking. Whoever shot and killed the man with the signs, who is trying to save precious, innocent lives, will fry in hell, as will anyone else who kills a baby. It's evil and pro-abortioners don't want us to see pics of the horrific murders cause then they have NOTHING to defend!

Abortion is murder, this fact is undisputible. If it was not taking the life of a human being, why do they have to dismember or suck the brains matter out of the unborn child? In addition, if it is not murder, why can someone be convicted of a double murder if they kill a pregnent woman? You can obviously tell I'm pro-life by the first sentence of this post, but I am however, pro-choice also. A woman does have a choice. That choice is to keep he legs together if she is not prepared to accept the responsibility of bearing a child. In addition, the man needs to keep his pants zipped if he is unwilling to accept the same responsibility. That's where the choice aspect begins and ends. As for the "graphic signs", if the signs bother you, why is the actual act from which these pictures were made acceptable?

Notice how the goes-without-saying liberal media doesn't report him as a pro-lifer, but as an anti-abortionist, falling in line with their liberal agents.

Why is it that only women get to choose? Why not a guy get to choose to keep the baby and have "mom" terminate her parental rights instead of the life of the baby? Why not the guy "choose" to abort when the Mom wants to keep the baby so he doesn't have to pay a lifetime of child support? We have people that want lawyers to represent the interests of pets/animals/trees so why not a lawyer to represent the interests of the unborn before they are aborted? Does anyone really think that a baby would willingly want to be aborted or for that matter any 5-year old?

Posted by Joe Schmoe, Heartland - Friday, September 11, 2009 at 11:51 a.m.
"those large graphic signs anger and disturb me"

The Truth usually does this.

I love the people who are complaining about how graphic the signs are. Abortion is graphic. Why do you think the abortion rights people call themselves "pro-choice" instead of "pro-abortion"? Why not reduce this heinous act to the moral equivalent of a trip to Baskin Robins? Its just a choice. Why do they insist on using clinical terms like fetus instead of baby? Its because they want to distance themselves from the ugliness that is abortion. Signs remind them that their word games are just that. At its root abortion is an abdication of responsibility.

Police state reality, a little at a time. People

don't flinch when children are "locked down".

Held prisoner for their own good. Slave protection.

The dead man would have been better off staying

at home and watching the aniversary of 911 on TV.

That's was the reason given for constructing the

police state, wasn't it?

You pro-choice folks just love killing things... whether it be a baby or an adult.

I've never seen this man before, but I've seen others like him. The signs are so offensive that the issue becomes about the sign instead of being about abortion. He hurts the pro-life cause and I'm glad that he's gone.

IM offended when you say those who protest abortion are violent men. I never killed anyone. IM a registered nurse who cares for patients in a nursing home. Matter of fact it's your side that is violent killing tiny babies without an anesthetic for the pain so that you can enjoy life. By the way I was convicted twice without a hearing because they said I was a violent person but in the end the judge ruled in my favor on Good Friday so I know where God stands.

What about the man in the gravel pit. Why is everybody making this a politcal session between pro-life and pro-choice. I think he was a random target. Get more info before making it something it is not!

The only "choice" that the Pro-Choice crowd wants is the choice to kill. There were "choices" made before conception. If a "choice" had not been made to have sexual relations, a child would not have been conceived, and, thus, there would be no reason to make a choice for "death". If "choice for life" was the "choice" the Pro-Choice crowd wanted, there would be no need to organize. The "choice for life" was made prior to conception, when two people entered into sexual relations. I don't think there is a "choice for sexual relations" organization, yet.

One less Democracy-hating fundie terrorist to put up with. Did they think Americans would just allow them to go around stalking & murdering people and not face the backlash? He was harassing schoolchildren, and he got what was coming to him.

"GOOD
Posted by PRO LIFE COMMON SENCE, Flint - Friday, September 11, 2009 at 10:59 a.m.

those large graphic signs anger and disturb me, a pro life person, i also understand that its non of my business if others do have abortions. I am glad that someone aborted that person from this earth. . . the people who have abortions will regardless of grossing out everyone one else!"

You are not a prolife person in any way, shape, or form. If you were prolife, you would not condone "aborting" a man who was peacefully expressing his strongly held belief that abortion is murder! However, you equating his MURDER with abortion, is very appropiate, as prolifers believe abortion is murder. You prove again, that antilifers have no regard for the sancity of innocent life. You only try to protect the ones who kill the innocent and defenseless.

Just a hint, don't bother trying to pass of as a prolifer, your mentality will never let you be belivable. Good luck with the rest of your horrible life, I hope you don't have an opportunity to destroy anyone else's. Loser...

I often wonder if people who proclaim the importance of choice support any other issues involving choice besides abortion. Do they support school choice, allowing poor children to attend the schools of their choice? Do they support a person's right to choose whether or not to own a gun? Do they support a person's right to choose whether or not to have health insurance? What other "choice" issues does the pro-choice movement support?

For those who say people should be able to "choose" whether to kill a baby not yet born there is no difference in that statement then there is in saying people should be able to "choose" to kill someone who is already born. At least the person who is born has a chance to get away. An unborn baby is defenseless to the slaughter.

Murder is murder, abortionist are murderers.

I often wonder if people who proclaim the importance of choice support any other issues involving choice besides abortion. Do they support school choice, allowing poor children to attend the schools of their choice? Do they support a person's right to choose whether or not to own a gun? Do they support a person's right to choose whether or not to have health insurance? What other "choice" issues does the pro-choice movement support?

RE: This is a terrible thing. But these protesters about abortion have been so violent and vocal for so long, shooting abortion doctors, harrassing patients at clinics. I figured it was only a matter of time before a nut from the other side started shooting also.

I think abortion is a personal choice and it should left to the woman. And the people who protest against it usually turn out to be violent men.

ANTI-ABORTION?

This is just another liberal lie/ misconception! I myself having been on the front lines walking in front of the abortion mills have had no just obscenities hurled at me but objects! These and the man other attacks by the anti life/pro death loons are never reported and rarely prosecuted. There was an incident a few years in CA were a left loon drove his van up on the sidewalk and tried to run down the peaceful pro-life group. The prolife group had to keep pressure on the DA & Prosecutor to go after the attacker.

Come on people this is NBC (National Barack Channel0 do you expect truth or honest reporting especially when it comes to conservatives

i'm pretty sure 1.5 million babies are aborted per year in this country. how many criminals are put to death by the justice system...5? it's silly to try and compare capital punishment to abortion, no matter what you believe on either issue.

regardless of what this mans beliefs were... this was truly a sad day in the lives of so many owosso high students. i was there. i am a junior at that school and i saw the shooting. when the article says that his signs were graphic, they mean it. and he was infamous among my peers for how radical he was in his beliefs (even those who were anti-abortion. my prayers go out to his family.

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Posted by Marge Davis, Hibbing Minnesota - Friday, September 11, 2009 at 10:44 a.m.

This is a terrible thing. But these protesters about abortion have been so violent and vocal for so long, shooting abortion doctors, harrassing patients at clinics. I figured it was only a matter of time before a nut from the other side started shooting also.

I think abortion is a personal choice and it should left to the woman. And the people who protest against it usually turn out to be violent men.
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Don't be such a hypocrit. It is unacceptable to be vocal against abortion, but perfectly alright to be vocal for LIBERAL causes? Talk about one-sided.

You know nothing about the Pro-Lifers. Most all of them are peaceful and civil. There are bad apples on both sides, if you choose to admit the truth instead of spinning lies you would admit that fact.

This is terrible. Dr. Tiller's murder was terrible. (although I despise the work he did).

Abortion is murder, no question about it. But I also don't think it should be made illegal again because the girls will just go to shady doctors in back offices and have unsafe abortions.

the rising storm of intolerance of differing polical views is only in its formulative stage

Pro-Choice is not pro-choice. The only choice they advocate is letting women take the choice to kill their baby.

Several years ago, the Arthur S. DeMoss people came out with a commercial that was run nation-wide. They are a Pro-Life group and their commercials were put down right and left. BUT, the one the "Pro-Choice" people denounced and hated the most was one on adoption as a choice. In fact, the word abortion was never used in the commercial.

They are not about choice. They are about money. America averages 2 abortions a minute. That's two lives ended and numerous lives affected, in just two minutes! But at least the baby murderers get their money!

I am a corunna/Owosso resident and I have seen those sighs that the man has held up all over town. I am very sad that the man lost life, But one thing that has made me so upset for years Is the pictures he would hole up . They were very very graphic and very large , now when you have little children and your driving by the man holding these graphic pictures up and your little child sees these and asks what Is that Mommy.. what do you say to a child that doesnt even know about abortion or shouldknow about things like that ..He should not have died in the horrible way that he did but he should have been made to not walk around with graphic posters..He also stood out side schools while children went to school .. thats just not right ..

"Since most "pro-lifers" I've spoken with are in favor of capital punishment, one can't help but marvel at their hypocrisy. Religion is poison - a late-stage cancer in our world."

This is a sad story about a man exercising his rights to freedom of speech who has been murdered. And it's sad when those on the other side of the issue are targeted with violence.

Your response is a tired old atheist argument that makes little sense when you think about it. Convicting and punishing a convicted violent and deviant criminal is a totally different issue than killing an innocent unborn life. The scriptures are very clear and reasoned on this as are the laws of our country.

Your assertion that Religion is a late-stage cancer on our world is interesting and I have two questions. 1) How can it be late stage when it's been with us since the beginning of recorded history? 2) "Our world"? who's world do you think it is? yours, to be done your way? Ours meaning atheist you and religious me? or maybe just the atheists?

Interestingly, crime, terrorism, murder, domestic violence, drug abuse, etc. are on a steep incline in our culture since atheists have started pushing their moral relativity, humanism, anti God agenda.

God bless those who sacrafice for the innocent and unprotected. Their reward will be great.

... GOOD
Posted by PRO LIFE COMMON SENCE, Flint - Friday, September 11, 2009 at 10:59 a.m.

those large graphic signs anger and disturb me, a pro life person, i also understand that its non of my business if others do have abortions. I am glad that someone aborted that person from this earth. . . the people who have abortions will regardless of grossing out everyone one else!
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You are not only devoid of commmon sense, you are sick and twisted. Those signs disturb you so you're glad he's dead? Oh, God forbid that you should be subjected to something that grosses you out. Anything but that! Who the ---- do you think you are? I can tell you one thing you are not, and that is Pro-Life.

I wonder about the mindset of someone that says there is hypocrisy by being anti-abortion and pro-capital punishment. Are you really comparing unborn children to convicted felons? Are you saying that these babies should be killed because they inconvience the parent, but these murderers, arsonists, rapists, and serial killers should be spared because it is wrong to take a life. I understand the ideological thinking that no one should take a life, but if you are going to take a political side, I'd rather save the babies and kill the killers than the other way around.

liberals have so little regard for the most innocent, they will rush to defend a mass murderer and make sure terrorists are treated with the upmost respect, but they have no problem ripping an innocent baby to shreds, yes my friend liberalism is a mental disorder.

I love how everybody finds the pictures offensive. It's because they are offensive. If I had a picture of an open heart surgery or a kidney transplant it might be educational. But you think abortion is ok to defend but not to look at.

Try to inject some logic and reason into this debate.

Abortion is offensive. If you can look at the pictures and still defend your stance then you might be a psychopath.

liberals have so little regard for the most innocent, they will rush to defend a mass murderer and make sure terrorists are treated with the upmost respect, but they have no problem ripping an innocent baby to shreds, yes my friend liberalism is a mental disorder.

It's dumb to say that pro-lifers are "hypocrites" because they are in favor of capital punishment, which is a JUST SENTENCE FOR A CRIME. Aborted babies are guilty of no crime. I mean, use your head.

Also, when cowards call religion a "poison," they are of course referring to orthodox, traditional Roman Catholicism. NEVER would these cowards denounce other religions in that way or single them out.

EVERYONE is Pro-LIfe for 9 months of their life.

It's only the liars and exploiters who become 'enlightened'!

Were a underhanded society. John Wayne made over 150
movies with no one ever shot someone in the back.
That's old notions of the 50's though. Right or wrong is for me to deside. I don't respect life because the society around me doesn't, I don't like old people cause there a drain on society and I hate men
because my mom sat around and wined about them while she ate ice cream.

I don't care what your views on abortion are. This is sad! I have seen this man and his sign since I was a little girl. They always bothered me and I do not agree with his views or methods. However, he has a family that loved him, and they are grieving.

Also, this is not the only man that was killed this morning. The man who shot him also killed another man in Owosso. He supposedly had a plan to kill more people, but he got caught. This is a tragedy in this town, and it is upsetting that people are being so cruel and taking this situation to lightly.

BOOKEEPER - He was not a black man. I do not know where you got your information. Check you sources before you go running your mouth!!

There is no hypocrisy in being Pro Life and Pro Death Penalty. This is a common tactic of liberals. How could a rational person not see the difference in killing an innocent fetus and killing a person who was convicted in a court of law of killing another person? I'll turn it around....how could a liberal be Pro Choice and yet be against the killing of a convicted murderer?

"Since most "pro-lifers" I've spoken with are in favor of capital punishment, one can't help but marvel at their hypocrisy."

Good comment - you forgot one thing - abortion is the mass killing of innocents. Capital punishment is the killing of a guilty individual that goes through the judicial system and convicted by a jury of their peers.

Big difference - so think before you call someone a hypocrite.

There is a big difference between executing convicted criminals and murdering innocent life in and out of the womb. The scary thing is you cannot tell the difference.

Culture of Life versus Culture of Death

The facts: A man was killed in broad daylight in front of a school with OUR CHILDREN. Someone planned to kill this person with a gun (else, why the multiple shots?) This victim had political views that align with half the country. But he wasn't shooting any doctors or actually doing anything that gives someone else the right to be judge, jury or executioner. Both sides should condemn actual lawbreaking, even as we work against one another lawfully to change other laws to match our beliefs. The level of discourse on this subject is disgusting. I pray for his family.

First of all, I don't think it's terrible to be labeled anti-abortion. That's what you are if you are against abortion. What I hate is when we get labeled anti-CHOICE. I am far from anti-choice, I love freedom and having the CHOICE to believe in what I want. I'm against abortion though. So that makes me anti-abortion, that's right.

And Marge, you are mistaken about most people involved in the pro-life movement being angry men. In my experience there are so many women, maybe more than men involved in this movement. And although knowing that innocent chilren are being dismembered LEGALLY on a daily basis makes us angry, most of us are pretty loving towards everyone, even if they aren't on the same side of the fence. It's our love for ALL people that causes us to stand up for those who have no voice. I am all for women's rights. I'm all for having choice. I am also for human rights too, and I believe one is a right to life.

It's unfair to lump everyone with the same view about abortion into one big boat and say we all act the same way. Just like I know that whomever killed this man at this high school does not speak for everyone else who is pro-abortion. And I know that the guy who killed George Tiller DOES NOT speak for me.

Since most "pro-choicer" / baby killers I've spoken with are against capital punishment, one can't help but marvel at their hypocrisy.

Liberalism is poison - a late-stage cancer in our world.

God bless those who are trying to protect the unborn. Regarding the comment about the violent people who protest, I have protested and I am not violent. In fact, I am a physician and hope that my hands and words are healing tools.

Woody,

You're a complete idiot. Capital punishment exists as a consequence of a crime committed. This person was killed apparently for his/her beliefs. That's not a crime. Try to work your thoughts to completion before posting them jackass.

You Pro-Abortionists, you are just as guilty of murdering babies as those that have done it because you support it.

Make no mistake...God is PRO-LIFE. All Abortion supporters will be condemned to burn forever. There is a way out. Accept Jesus Christ for whom He claims to be...Almighty God ! That's correct...He IS GOD and everything He said is TRUE.

How can someone equate killing an innocent child in an often times violent method (sucking out the brain as the head comes out, cutting the baby up inside the womb and pulling out individual pieces) versus painless killing of convicted adult murderers.

Another new outlet says:
"A black car can be seen parked at the corner of North and Whitehaven streets, where a portable oxygen tank is lying in a front yard next to a large sign bearing the image of a baby and the word "Life.""

This one says they were "told" the sign was a graphic image.

Before jumping to conclusions let's wait and see what the image actually was.

It amazes me how many people are jumping on the possibility of the image being graphic as somewhat of a justification for what happened.

I wonder what the sign looked like. One report said it had a picture of a baby and the word "Life" on it. I'm curious as to if this was another graphic sign or was it age appropriate for high schoolers?

All of this is assuming that his beliefs were relevant to his murder of course.

You are a pathetic, waste of skin. Obviously filled with hate & evil. You sad, insignicant, nasty human. Ever seen the movie Ghost? Now you know where you're going when you pass.

You are a pathetic, waste of skin. Obviously filled with hate & evil. You sad, insignicant, nasty human. Ever seen the movie Ghost? Now you know where you're going when you pass.

Since most "pro-lifers" I've spoken with are in favor of capital punishment, one can't help but marvel at their hypocrisy.

Religion is poison - a late-stage cancer in our world.

Most pro-lifers I know are women. The issue does after all effect them (aside from unborn children) the most.

To label all Pro-Lifers as violent men is asinine.

Tiller aborted full-term babies, and his killing drew front page headlines for days. This man did nothing to provoke violence, yet the MSM is mostly silent on his murder. What astonishing hypocrisy. The "pro choice" movement truly is evil.

I am curious as to how the MSM will handle this.
A man who was holding a picture of a baby, shot down in cold blood. Bet the shooter is thinking, "Next time I'll have to do it before he is born, then it will be legal"

those large graphic signs anger and disturb me, a pro life person, i also understand that its non of my business if others do have abortions. I am glad that someone aborted that person from this earth. . . the people who have abortions will regardless of grossing out everyone one else!

I learned of this through Abort73.com. I cannot believe I didn't find it on any major news outlet. It is tragic when we cannot stand up and speak out without threat.

Anyone else notice the use of the term anti-abortion repeatedly, instead of the term pro-life? just think about it.

This is a terrible thing. But these protesters about abortion have been so violent and vocal for so long, shooting abortion doctors, harrassing patients at clinics. I figured it was only a matter of time before a nut from the other side started shooting also.

I think abortion is a personal choice and it should left to the woman. And the people who protest against it usually turn out to be violent men.

You mislabeled this so bad... How about "PRO-LIFE", which is what this is all about.

Don't worry... even the leftists are waking up to the media boas, which is really amazing.

Now they are killing more than babies!!!! Is this the shot heard around the USA?? Constitutionalist vs socialist?? This is about to get very serious!

to see if this anti-choice activist views had anything to do with his views on the topic. And who pickets and shows dead fetuses to high school students before they walk into school in the morning?

I strike from the grave. for death, for abortions!

Why is anyone shocked? If the left can mutilate babies they will absolutely have no qualms about shooting someone.

You are showing your bias Nicole by choosing to use the term anti-abortion instead of the more frequently accepted term Pro-Life. Do you also refer to those who support abortion as Anti-Life? How about Pro-Abortion? I await a breathless rush by print and television journalists to publish and air stories decrying the violent Anti-Lifers and warning about the immanent danger from these people. Perhaps Janet Napolitano will add them to a terrorist watch list.

The man was PRO-life. Describing him as anti-anything is just another way the MSM is doing their job of chipping away at America.

Does it matter that the image on the protest sign
was "graphic"? What does that add to the story?
Could in indicate that somehow the content of the
message justified the murder? Oh brother, must
there be editorial content in every news story?
Or am I being too sensitive and am reading this
all wrong?

Abortion lovers will kill babies and adults. No respect for life.

I have never heard of any US media referring to abortionists as "pro-death" activists. They "choose" to be called "pro choice" (even though the choice is deferred to the mother and not the child, or even to both parents equally).

Just the same, this person is a Right To Life, or "pro-life," activist, as even his materials will show. Why do you report on this as an "anti-abortion" activist? It isn't the abortion per se that such people are protesting -- it is for each individual to have a right to life.

I wonder if the president will come out against this "hate crime". After all it was a black man that was killed. Oh but wait, he was on the wrong side of the issues, right..............

It was sad when someone played vigilante on Dr. Tiller, and it was sad when someone played vigilante on this person.

Neither shooter respected life.